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Ask Me Anything with Treehouse CEO Ryan Carson
58:58 with Ryan CarsonIn this Ask Me Anything, Treehouse Founder and CEO Ryan Carson takes live questions from Treehouse Festival 2020 attendees. He discusses his professional journey and why he founded Treehouse. He also discusses tips for how to get an entry-level job, the benefits of freelance work, and how to establish yourself in the tech industry.
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Hey, everybody, welcome back.
0:03
I really enjoyed Dylan's session.
0:05
Thank you so much, Dylan,
for talking about mentoring.
0:09
Sharnesia, thank you so much for
0:11
talking about how to be effective
at work and what you need to know.
0:13
It's been a joy to work with
both of you at Mailchimp.
0:18
So, welcome to my ask me anything session.
0:22
I'm here to answer all your questions.
0:25
Anything about the journey
we've had at Treehouse.
0:29
Why I started Treehouse?
0:33
How I learned how to code?
0:35
How to get a job?
0:37
There's a bazillion questions y'all can
ask and I would be happy to answer them.
0:38
It's just been so much fun to be
at this festival with you all.
0:43
I love this community and
I love our students and
0:47
it's why I come to work every day.
0:51
So, I'm ready to take some questions.
0:54
I noticed there was one already.
0:57
So we'll just keep going and
keep them coming in,
0:59
pump those questions in, I'll take as
many as I can during this session.
1:03
We had a question that said, I love how
the Treehouse culture and curriculum is so
1:08
welcoming to people of all professional
experiences and educational backgrounds.
1:13
Was this a choice you made when
you created this company or
1:19
did it evolve into this business model?
1:22
So, I'll tell you how
Treehouse came to be,
1:25
cuz that is a part of the story and
then how we evolved as well.
1:28
So I grew up in Colorado Springs,
Colorado, was born in 1977.
1:33
And I had a wonderful childhood.
1:39
I was extremely privileged.
1:43
I didn't know that at the time
that I had two parents.
1:44
I had a safe home and plenty to eat.
1:48
I'm a white man.
1:51
I'm cisgender, I'm able bodied.
1:53
I'm pretty much as
privileged as you can get.
1:55
I didn't know that when I was growing up,
and
1:57
another thing that was
amazing is I had a computer.
2:01
So, my dad was just on always
getting the latest gadgets.
2:04
And so I saw a Apple IIe show up in our
house in the 80s and it just blew my mind.
2:09
I had a green screen and
there was a command prompt and
2:18
you could type things into it and
I just thought this is cool.
2:22
And, as I grew up, I played more and
more computer games.
2:26
Shout out to anyone who
knows a King's Quest is, and
2:30
eventually I was walking down
the hallway in my high school.
2:33
And my math teacher, Miss Bruce walked
up to me and she said, hey Ryan,
2:38
have you ever thought about taking
our computer programming class?
2:42
And I was like, what's that?
2:46
I love my computer, but
I don't know what programming is.
2:49
And she said, It's when you tell
the computer what to do, and it does it.
2:52
And my mind just went,
[SOUND] [LAUGH] and I thought that, wow,
2:57
sounds amazing,
that sounds like a superpower.
3:01
And so, I enrolled in our Turbo Pascal
class and it was just so much fun.
3:03
I realized you could create anything
that you could imagine, and so
3:09
I fell in love with that.
3:14
I actually grew up in
a very religious household.
3:16
So, I was actually planning
on being a pastor someday.
3:19
And as I went on that journey,
I fell in love with computers and
3:26
I thought I'll figure out the pastor
thing maybe I'll go to seminary someday.
3:29
But for now, why don't I go to college and
study computer science?
3:34
Computer science was was really
becoming cutting edge at that point,
3:38
the Internet was happening, and I enrolled
so I went to Colorado State University.
3:42
Again, just looking back, I was so
privileged, my parents paid for
3:46
my university education.
3:51
I had no student debt.
3:53
And I was just very well taken care of.
3:54
So I went to Colorado State got
my computer science degree.
3:58
But as I was going through it,
it was just kind of shocking to me how
4:01
disconnected my curriculum
was from what I wanted to do.
4:05
So we were learning
about assembly language,
4:09
which is literally like, zeros and ones.
4:12
And we were learning lisp,
which is this bonkers recursive language.
4:16
It was just so disconnected from what we
want to do, which was build web apps.
4:22
We wanted to create things.
4:26
And I learned C++ and then I learned
how to design aircraft systems.
4:28
And I just thought, well, this is great,
but how do I use this stuff?
4:32
And so eventually, I graduated.
4:36
And there's kind of a whole
side story to this, but
4:39
I decided I wanted an adventure,
and I decided to move England.
4:42
So I moved to England with my
computer science degree in tow.
4:47
And, my first job interview
required a computer science degree.
4:51
And so I went to the interview, and
the interview went well and then I said,
4:57
what do we code here?
5:01
What do we do?
5:03
And they said, we write in
a language called ColdFusion, and
5:04
I had never heard of it.
5:08
[LAUGH] I was like, what was that?
5:10
And they said, buy a book, you'll be fine.
5:13
And I felt like time
stopped at that moment.
5:16
I thought, wait, what,
5:19
I'm supposed to just buy a book
that I can get it Barnes and Noble.
5:21
I have a Computer Science degree
like doesn't that matter?
5:26
And it became clear to me that my computer
Science degree was like this secret
5:29
key that I had access to.
5:33
That I was given a job because of but,
actually,
5:35
the skills I learned was
not at all what I needed.
5:38
And, I felt like that was wrong.
5:41
There's a deep part of me that was
bothered by that the morality of that,.
5:43
That I had access to this special computer
science program because I grew up in
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a certain way.
5:52
And that's why I was getting
the job instead of I
5:53
got the job cuz I worked hard.
5:56
And at that moment,
I thought I wanna change this.
5:58
This system seems broken.
6:01
So that the idea for Treehouse
actually began that seed was planted,
6:02
that was the year 2000.
6:08
And I went on to get the job
as a software developer and
6:10
I was a web developer for
several years, until 2004.
6:15
And I wasn't gonna stay in England but
6:20
I met this amazing woman now my wife and
my co-founder Gill.
6:22
If you're watching, I love you,
and stayed in England.
6:26
And then I realized, I don't wanna
be a software engineer anymore,
6:30
I wanna start my own company.
6:34
I built a simple piece of
software called FlightDeck.
6:37
It was basically drops in before drops and
existed.
6:40
I got one company to buy a license of it.
6:44
And I quit my job, and Gill and I got
married, and that was my first company.
6:46
But this backgrounds, passion and
desire to teach people how to code and
6:51
empower them to get a job without a
computer science degree was always there.
6:56
And so, it bothered me still.
7:02
I was learning everything by Googling,
by reading O'Reilly books,
7:06
by copying and
pasting other people's code.
7:10
And I just thought, what I'm doing is so
7:13
disconnected from my computer
science degree, it's unbelievable.
7:16
And, so what we started to do is let's
teach people how to code in person.
7:21
So we did a workshop and it was,
7:27
I think called how to build
an Enterprise PHP web app.
7:29
We did in London,
I think we had 30 attendees and I thought,
7:32
this is what I wanna do.
7:37
I wanna teach people how to code.
7:39
I wanna empower people so
that they can change their life.
7:41
And so that was in 2006.
7:45
And again, this passion for
7:47
empowering people by teaching them
was growing and growing and growing.
7:48
And eventually,
these small one day workshops
7:53
turned into these massive conferences,
right?
7:59
So we had 2,000 people at one
of our conferences in London and
8:04
we're teaching how to code and
we are empowering people.
8:07
But then after doing that
from 2006 to kinda 2010,
8:10
I just got really frustrated with
the in-person conference model.
8:15
I thought we're doing the same thing over.
8:21
People can come to these conferences
if they are wealthy, if they can fly on
8:25
planes, if they can get hotel rooms,
if they can afford to be away from work.
8:30
Where basically empowering people,
again, that have privilege,
8:34
like this is not what I wanna do.
8:38
I want to truly empower people that
don't have access to opportunity.
8:40
And so Gill and I were talking one day and
I just said, there's
8:45
got to be a way that we can make this more
affordable and accessible and effective.
8:49
And she said,
why don't we do an online school,
8:53
like why don't we just put
all of our lessons online.
8:56
And in 2010, that was pretty cutting edge.
9:00
No one was really doing that yet.
9:02
And so, I tweeted out, is there anybody
out there that is good on camera that
9:05
wants to teach coding and design?
9:09
And Nick Pettit and Jim hoskin said,
us, we wanna do that.
9:11
And so, that was how we started Treehouse.
9:15
So back in 2010, we launched and
it was very simple video lessons for
9:18
coding, video lessons for design.
9:23
And it took off.
9:25
And so we just worked really
hard to keep going on this.
9:27
But the mission of the company was to
empower people to learn how to code so
9:33
they could get a job, right?
9:38
To be able to go around the computer
science degree requirement.
9:41
And so we've just worked very,
very hard at that for ten years, right?
9:44
So we've been fortunate to
teach 650,000 people now.
9:48
And, I think in 2016,
9:52
I really began to wake up
to the systematic barriers
9:56
that are in place around the world
that hold people out of tech.
10:02
It's much deeper than I had thought,
than I had realized.
10:08
I started reading books
like The New Jim Crow and
10:12
I watched documentaries like 13th.
10:16
And I just really started to
understand how much privilege I had and
10:19
how that affected everything.
10:23
So then we decided to go further and
think about how can we work on
10:25
apprenticeship and
how can we empower more people.
10:30
And we've just done more and more on
that and so many people have been a part
10:34
of that, we've partnered with the boys and
girls clubs, dress for success.
10:39
Amazing people like Sharnicia and Eric
Muntz at MailChimp, and there is just been
10:45
such a massive team effort to start to
open up these new pathways into tech.
10:49
So I would say equity diversity inclusion,
empowering people is at
10:54
the core of treehouse,
that is really why we all come to work.
11:00
And we are just gonna keep going on that.
11:05
We think that it's important for
people to see so
11:09
they can believe that they can do it,
right?
11:12
So we wanna spotlight more people
of color and more women in tech so
11:15
people can see those people and
say I could do that.
11:19
And Dalin is literally a living example
of that, and he's so inspirational to me.
11:23
So that's kind of the long
story of how do we get here.
11:28
I'm not perfect, treehouse is not perfect,
we're still trying to diversify our team.
11:33
There's still a lot we have to learn,
there's still a lot I have to learn.
11:38
But I'm just so
thankful to have been on this journey, and
11:42
to work with everyone
that we have worked with.
11:46
So that is a very long answer
to how do we evolve into this.
11:50
So we're excited about just continuing to
serve people, and empower our students.
11:55
I love my job, that's so much fun.
12:02
Another question, what about freelance
contract work for treehouse graduates?
12:06
Is that a realistic route for
12:10
someone interested in working
remotely not as a full time employee?
12:12
So freelance contract work
is absolutely a great idea.
12:17
So if you are going through our tech
degree or going through our courses and
12:22
you finish, here's what I would recommend.
12:26
We talked a lot about this in the how
to get a job without a computer science
12:29
degree panel.
12:34
This is the basic playbook
you should follow.
12:35
So as you're going
through your coursework,
12:38
you should begin to build something
with what you're learning and
12:40
you should pick a subject
that you're passionate about.
12:44
So whether that's golfing,
or floristry, or sewing,
12:47
or hiking, or music,
anything that you are passionate about.
12:52
You should start building
a project that's based on that.
12:59
And then what I mean is a website,
build a website or
13:02
build an app that has something to do
with what you're passionate about.
13:05
And then you can start to
build a community around that,
13:10
you could say that you're
passionate about piano.
13:13
You could build a website for
13:16
people who are passionate about
piano in your city or town.
13:19
And then you actually have a real
thing that you've built, right?
13:24
So as you're learning,
you launch your first real thing,
13:28
you buy your first domain, Ilovepiano.com
it's probably not available.
13:32
And then you build
a website around that and
13:37
all sudden you have a real
thing that you've built.
13:39
You didn't get paid to do it, that's okay.
13:41
And then what you do is you take that and
then you go to people in your
13:43
community that own businesses or
run organizations like a church and
13:48
you say to them, hey, I would love
to rebuild or launch your website.
13:54
I'll do it for 50 bucks and
13:59
just charge a tiny bit amount of money and
then build that with them.
14:02
And then all sudden you have
your first paid project.
14:08
And so Jeremy Smith and
Anthonela talked about this.
14:11
This is essentially
creating your experience,
14:13
your booting up your own
experience as you go, and
14:17
then you launch that second
website that you got paid for.
14:21
And then you do it again, so then you go
to another small business or community or
14:26
organization and say,
here are these two things I built,
14:30
I would like to build one for you too.
14:33
I'll charge you $100 and you charge
a little bit more money and you launch
14:34
another project and you just keep doing
this while you're learning, right?
14:39
So don't wait until you
finish learning to do this,
14:44
do this as soon as you have
the ability to do this.
14:47
And all of a sudden, by the time you
finish your tech degree you finish
14:49
your coursework you have three,
four, five real projects.
14:54
Four of them plus that
you've been paid to build.
14:58
And all sudden, you are a software
engineer, you are a designer,
15:02
because you've been paid to do that.
15:06
And that's the freelance kind
of boot up model you can use.
15:09
And then on your resume, you can list
these real world projects with real
15:13
domain names that are alive on the web
that you've been paid to build.
15:17
That also shows a tremendous
amount of productivity,
15:22
creativity, a hard work, and
those are all skills that people look for.
15:25
So I would highly encourage you
to try to make that happen.
15:30
Now, remember,
it takes time to do this, right?
15:34
We're talking about, you're gonna
be learning for six to 12 months,
15:36
then you're gonna parallel process
this creation of projects.
15:40
That's gonna be six to 12 months of work,
so
15:44
you're preparing yourself for a kind
of a two year journey to get into tech.
15:47
And in a minute I can talk
about how do you get a job
15:53
once you're ready to
start applying as well.
15:57
But that should sum up how I
think you can use freelance
16:01
contract work to really get
yourself into the industry.
16:06
Another question, do you have an idea
of an average time length that
16:11
usually takes for an individual
to finish a tech degree course?.
16:15
So this depends 100% on how much time
you wanna dedicate to it per day.
16:19
It also depends on there's a lot
of things people are juggling,
16:25
especially with a pandemic childcare,
education, stress, lack of work.
16:30
It's a pretty stressful time right now for
everybody.
16:36
First of all, I would encourage you just
start with hundred days of code, right?.
16:39
Dedicate 30 minutes a day,
just get started, do that for 100 days.
16:44
And then if you're really enjoying it and
you're building up that
16:47
discipline then you could think about
moving to an hour to two hours a day.
16:52
If you dedicate one to two hours a day,
16:57
you're gonna finish a tech degree
typically in about 40 to 50 weeks.
16:59
So it's important that you
set that mental framework and
17:03
commit, hey,
this is a long term thing, but
17:08
as long as I don't quit,
then no one can stop me.
17:12
So this is why we started code crew,
we wanna empower you all to sign up for
17:16
a cohort group model where we go
through the tech degree together.
17:21
So that's gonna be our first time ever
doing that where there's 100 of us and
17:26
Tony and I are gonna be in that group,
17:29
where we go through the full
stack JavaScript type degree.
17:31
Week by week, over about 40, 50 weeks,
so really excited about that.
17:34
Question, why do you think it is so
difficult for
17:41
a lot of companies to embrace
inclusivity and diversity?
17:44
I think the kind of blunt answer is that
most companies are run by white men.
17:48
And us white men we live
in our privilege bubble and
17:54
we don't have to think about diversity
inclusion as sad as that is and
17:59
that's the brutal reality.
18:05
We live in a world that has systematic
racism and sexism built into it.
18:07
So, I think though we're
seeing more people wake up and
18:14
realize this is something
that is a moral issue,
18:19
this is not something that's nice to do.
18:23
And we're beginning to see more progress,
which is so encouraging.
18:27
There is obviously a tremendous
amount of work to do still, but
18:32
we're beginning to see it and
that gives me hope.
18:36
Another question,
can you talk a little bit about
18:40
the process of creating a course
what comes up with the idea?
18:44
How many people create the content?
18:49
What kind of review process is there?
18:51
All that sort of stuff, thanks.
18:53
So Tony should really answer this question
cuz she is our director of learning and
18:54
she's in charge of our
course creation process.
18:59
I'll just tell you at treehouse,
19:02
we are passionate about creating
high quality curriculum.
19:04
We're passionate about creating
curriculum that is for beginners.
19:09
We're passionate about
that being video based so
19:12
it's as easy as possible
to to understand and learn.
19:15
It's hard, right, I mean,
we have a whole team dedicated to this.
19:19
We have a tremendous amount
of technical expertise behind
19:24
creating high quality video with motion,
with great curriculum.
19:27
[LAUGH] It's a lot, and
I'm not gonna do it justice.
19:32
Tony is the best person to answer
that question, but thanks for asking.
19:35
I'm sorry,
I can't be more helpful in that.
19:41
Another question, what is the best way to
stand out from the crowd on your resume?
19:44
So it's actually a trick, Question,
19:51
because actually the best way to stand
out is to not rely on your resume at all.
19:53
The best thing to do is to network
your way to the company that you wanna
19:58
work for, so that by the time you submit
your resume they already know you.
20:04
Everybody, this is the blunt
truth about the way hiring works,
20:10
most people get hired by people they know,
or people that are recommended.
20:14
So you really have to
work with that system.
20:20
All because this is directly related.
20:22
Well, let me answer the question first,
in a simple way,
20:25
the way to stand out is to show that
you are creative and proactive.
20:29
The way to do that is to do what I
said at the beginning where I said,
20:35
pick something you're passionate about,
anything.
20:39
It literally doesn't matter,
can be tattoos.
20:42
And build a site and a community around
that and be the center of that community.
20:44
And work on that for six months to a year,
and then you can say I created
20:51
this community for
people that are passionate about tattoos.
20:56
Here's the site I built, here's how
we're supporting all of our members and
21:01
it's my passion projects.
21:07
And put that I think at
the top of your resume,
21:09
because everyone is assuming you know
how to code, or you know how to design.
21:12
But what they are looking for,
is are you proactive?
21:16
Are you creative?
Are you good with people?
21:21
So I would put things like that at the top
and that will instantly make you jump out.
21:24
The other thing that Grant,
and Anthonella, and
21:28
Jeremy talked about is do not shotgun
your resume, it just doesn't work.
21:32
You really to take time to identify
the 100 companies you wanna work for,
21:38
and specifically target each one,
which is hard, but it works.
21:44
I've had people send me boxes with
a resume in it with a tremendous
21:50
amount of work showing, hey,
here is why I wanna work at treehouse.
21:55
Here is what I am prepared to do, and
of course that gets my attention.
22:00
So there is a lot of things you can
do to stand out from the crowd.
22:05
All right, these are great questions,
you all, thank you.
22:09
I'm gonna keep going.
22:12
Another question we have is this.
22:14
I have no CS skills outside of
using computers to answer emails or
22:17
use applications for work.
22:22
How do I prepare to take
classes on treehouse?
22:24
Is there any foundational information
I need to seek before I start?
22:27
I'm currently following
free options online but
22:31
concerning something more formalized,
thanks.
22:34
This is exactly why I started treehouse.
22:36
I wanted to build a school that
assumes you have no knowledge of
22:39
coding that you have no
technical experience,
22:44
that you've never written a line of
code ever, or even know what that means.
22:47
That's exactly why we built treehouse and
we want it to be friendly for you.
22:53
So I would encourage you, if you're
thinking about treehouse sign up to either
22:57
our our courses product
which is only $25 a month.
23:02
Or if you know that you
want an outcome and
23:05
you're looking to switch careers or
add a skill to your resume,
23:08
then the tech degree is a great
option too, it is more expensive.
23:13
So you can sign up for a courses product
and and you can take one of our tracks.
23:17
Our tracks are guided literally in
a straight line, take this course and
23:21
then take this course and take that
course, we take all of the guesswork out.
23:25
And we're gonna assume that
you have no knowledge at all.
23:29
Most of our students who now have
jobs started actually in that place.
23:33
Never even knowing what
a software engineer was or
23:36
UX designer, so try us out.
23:40
Let me know, we have a great community
to support you as you learn.
23:42
All right, more great questions.
23:49
What are some of your favorite
programming languages?
23:51
Not c++.
23:54
[LAUGH] That's how I learned
in college and I hate it.
23:56
But my favorite language
is Python at the moment.
23:59
I just love Python is it just
kind of a beautiful language,
24:03
it's almost written like English.
24:08
And it's just fun to program in,
it's also very powerful.
24:12
It doesn't require semicolons
at the end of lines.
24:16
[LAUGH] There's a lot to
it that's really nice.
24:20
So I just completed our Python
tech degree, which was really fun.
24:22
But now I'm learning our full
stack JavaScript type degree.
24:25
And Gil and the other teachers and
24:28
in those courses are making that
really easy to learn, as well.
24:30
I'm really excited to learn React and
a couple of the modern frameworks as well.
24:34
But Python is great, I love it.
24:40
It's also very powerful if you wanna
go into data analysis as well.
24:42
Okay, more questions.
24:48
And if you all that are compiling
the questions if you wanna put people's
24:51
names next to these, it's kind of fun for
me to say who asked.
24:54
That would be great.
24:58
Next up, how do you come
up with the name treehouse?
25:00
And why did you decide to get
teamtreehouse and not treehouse.com?
25:03
Well, that's a sore point.
25:08
[LAUGH] So
the funny thing is that actually
25:11
treehouse started off being
called this hilariously bad name.
25:13
Think vitamin membership.
25:18
[LAUGH] So Jill and I launched
a website called thinkvitamin.com
25:21
which was a blog with great content for
web designers and web developers.
25:26
How-to articles, inspirational stories,
and it got to be very popular.
25:33
It's one of the most popular web design,
web development sites on the Internet.
25:38
And so when we launched what is
now treehouse, we thought, well,
25:41
let's use all that brand value that we've
built up, and attach the product to it.
25:46
So it was thinkvitamin.com,
25:52
so we just did think vitamin.com
forward slash membership.
25:54
And then, at some point, I think I was
listening to a podcast and someone said,
25:57
you should always run your brand name
through what's called the bar test.
26:02
And I was like, what's the bar test?
26:07
And they said,
imagine you're sitting at a bar,
26:09
just impossible to imagine
now during the pandemic.
26:11
But imagine you're sitting in a bar
next to somebody, it's really loud,
26:13
there's glasses clinking,
there's music in the background and
26:17
you tell them what your company name is.
26:21
Will they be able to
understand it the first time?
26:23
[LAUGH] Just imagine myself
sitting in a bar going,
26:26
it's called think vitamin membership.
26:29
[LAUGH] And them just going, what?
26:32
[LAUGH] So, I was like, we gotta
change our name, this is ridiculous.
26:34
So at that point, Jill and I, we started,
26:39
thinking about ideas and
comeing up with all sorts of ideas.
26:42
And she's a trained journalist, and so
she taught me how to do mind mapping.
26:46
And so we started coming up with words and
then words that attached to that.
26:51
And she just said, why not treehouse?
26:55
And we immediately googled it, there's
got to be something called treehouse.
26:57
And there really was nothing, I mean,
27:01
there was a Canadian TV channel
called treehouse, for kids.
27:03
There was treehouse.com
that was already taken,
27:06
which was discouraging, but
it was this enterprise software company.
27:09
And so I thought, okay,
there's not going to be brand confusion.
27:13
And so we locked it in treehouse.
27:17
We couldn't get treehouse Inc, either,
so we went with Treehouse Island Inc,
27:21
which is our technical legal name.
27:25
And we were looking for domain names
that I contacted treehouse.com and
27:27
they said it's a million
dollars if you wanna buy it.
27:32
[LAUGH] We don't have $1 million, so
I guess we can't get treehouse.com.
27:35
And we just thought Team Treehouse,
it's fun, it implies being a team.
27:40
It's very people friendly until we went
teamtreehouse.com which is funny cuz now
27:46
everyone thinks our name is teamtreehouse.
27:51
It's cool if you wanna cause
Team Treehouse, I love it.
27:53
We're also treehouse, so
whatever works for you.
27:57
The actual treehouse though came from this
idea like a treehouse is a magical place,
28:01
right?
28:06
It's somewhere in your childhood
that feels safe, it feels creative,
28:06
it's filed with wonder and
makes you think anything is possible.
28:12
So we just thought treehouse
was just a lovely name.
28:17
Fun question.
28:21
Okay, more great questions.
28:22
Do you feel like you ultimately were
a teacher who learned how to code or
28:26
that coding brought you
the idea of teaching?
28:30
I feel like I'm a teacher at heart,
but I think that it
28:33
was brought out more so
by following my other passions.
28:38
I think I view coding as a tool
that can change your life.
28:43
It's a tool that you can use
to create anything and so
28:50
I'm really passionate about
empowering people to create and
28:55
to empower themselves.
29:00
And code is just the most
powerful thing you can do now.
29:02
If you understand technology,
you know how to control it,
29:06
you really can wield
things into existence.
29:11
And build wealth for your family,
you can help people, and so
29:15
I think what is really behind teaching
people how to code is empowering people.
29:19
Coding is just the tool that we use, or
29:25
UX design is just the tool, but
it's really about empowering people.
29:28
Teaching is fun,
if you identify as a teacher,
29:32
I'm sure that one of the reasons
you love it is cuz it's just so
29:36
fun to see somebody learn something,
and then use it.
29:40
It's just wonderful, if you love
teaching I always encourage people,
29:44
there's YouTube now, right?.
29:48
So start a YouTube channel and
I've started teaching, right?.
29:51
See how it goes right?.
29:54
That's a powerful way
to get into teaching.
29:55
If you're interested in that, more great
questions, question from Alexandra.
29:57
Do you hire juniors or interns?
30:03
How big is your team?
30:06
Do you have different locations?
30:07
We absolutely hire juniors we
actually are working on continuing
30:09
to build out our own
apprenticeship program.
30:14
So a couple amazing folks have
already come in through that pipeline.
30:18
What we look to do is empower people
to learn through a tech degree,
30:22
and then onboard them as apprentices and
then they scale up.
30:26
Carlos is an amazing example.
30:30
He's on our software engineering team.
30:32
He came through our
apprenticeship program.
30:35
We also have amazing people that
come in through our tech degree,
30:37
get involved in Slack
become Slack champions.
30:42
And then they apply for
a job at Treehouse, and
30:46
we've seen a lot of amazing
people go through that route.
30:49
Daniel just joined the team and
he was an amazing Slack champion.
30:52
We've seen Randy come through
that pipeline as well.
30:58
Meg is now an instructor at Treehouse.
31:03
There's just so
many cool examples of that.
31:06
Actually, Liz,
who is running this conference,
31:09
she came in through
a role at apprenticeship,
31:12
I'm sorry on that on an apprenticeship
team, not having experienced doing that.
31:15
And now she's doing amazing things and
we're seeing these things work.
31:20
Now is it perfect the Treehouse?
31:23
No, and we're small as well.
31:25
We're about 45-50 people but
my vision is that we continue
31:27
use apprenticeship to diversify
the team and build our pipeline.
31:32
Now, we don't do internships.
31:37
I'm kind of against internships because
I feel that, it should lead to a job.
31:40
And so an apprenticeship leads
to a paid job and internship,
31:46
there's no job at the end.
31:49
Internships can be great, they're often
unpaid, which I don't think is equitable.
31:51
We don't have different,
we have no location now.
31:57
Treehouse has officially gone 100%
remote because of the pandemic.
32:01
We're actually the studio team
has built out these amazing home
32:07
studio kits that our teachers
are gonna start using, or
32:12
eventually gonna walk away from this
studio and be completely remote.
32:16
I'm really excited about
the future of that.
32:21
So we're hiring, 100% remote right now.
32:24
I have never actually met Toni,
our director of learning, in person.
32:27
[LAUGH] She and I had a lot of Zoom
calls and a lot of Slack messages, but
32:31
I've literally never met her.
32:35
We obviously will do that
once the pandemic dies down.
32:37
I haven't met Kirsten either,
our director of HR.
32:41
So it's kinda funny how we live
in a world now where you can
32:43
sometimes never meet your own employees,
which is fun.
32:48
How do we apply for our apprenticeships?
32:53
Joseph asked this.
32:54
Well, what we did is we open sourced
our apprenticeship playbook.
32:56
So, we're gonna launch this
site that explains how
33:00
companies can use the apprenticeship
program at their own company.
33:03
And then what we'll start doing is seeing
companies opening up apprenticeships into
33:08
it is about to do this.
33:12
And some other companies we're
hoping are about to launch that.
33:13
Apprenticeships are still new.
33:17
And I would say that they're
not very common in tech,
33:18
but we're seeing more of them.
33:22
And I would start googling around for
33:24
apprenticeship programs in tech and
apply through those channels.
33:27
Okay, question from Samantha,
how do you keep your confidence
33:32
up when other students seem to
be learning faster than you?
33:37
This is a good question.
33:41
I literally feel this as a CEO,
33:43
I see other CEOs that are ahead of me that
are my age or start at the same time.
33:46
I think we all feel this.
33:51
This is basically a form
of imposter syndrome.
33:53
And you have to never want to remind
yourself that everybody feels this way.
33:56
So if you perceive other students
are learning faster than you,
34:01
they are literally looking
at other students and
34:05
feeling that they're not good
enough in some other way.
34:08
And everybody feels it so
that's thing one.
34:11
Thing two do is remind yourself
of how far you've come, right?
34:14
So every skill that you've learned,
remind yourself that there are millions of
34:18
other people in the world that
haven't even learned that yet, right?
34:23
So you've taken a step that's already
brought you closer to your goal,
34:27
there's a lot of other people
that haven't even done that.
34:30
So just remind yourself that is impressive
and that you should be proud of that.
34:33
And the biggest thing is not quitting,
right?
34:40
So what ends up separating most people
from getting a job or not getting a job is
34:43
being willing able to march through that
long marathon of learning and applying.
34:49
And really what we end up
separating is not quitting.
34:55
It's not the speed like that.
34:57
Don't let speed be how you're measuring
yourself, it should be measure
34:59
yourself on consistency and
grit and did you quit or not?
35:03
If you haven't quit, then you're winning.
35:07
That's a good question, Samantha.
35:09
Thank you.
35:10
From Alleli I think I'm saying that right.
35:12
Can you advise some books that
had a strong impact on your life?
35:16
[COUGH] You bet.
35:20
So, my mom made me read how to
win friends and influence people.
35:21
And I thought it was the dumbest
book ever when I was in high school.
35:26
And I thought it seemed evil winning
friends and influencing people.
35:31
And it turns out the concepts
in that book are timeless and
35:36
they are extremely important.
35:40
If you can really figure
out how to help people and
35:43
figure out what they want,
the world opens up.
35:47
I would strongly advise,
there's a master class by Chris Voss
35:50
on negotiating,
that sounds kind of scary and aggressive.
35:56
But actually what when he teaches
mirroring, it can change your life.
36:00
So I would encourage you take that course.
36:07
A couple other books that have changed my
life, The New Jim Crow, as a white man.
36:10
And someone who's very privileged,
I think understanding the system and
36:17
what's really going on has really,
really changed my life.
36:21
So those are a couple, I would advise.
36:25
How did you come up?
36:31
Hubert asked.
How did you come up with the name we
36:32
talked about that Treehouse.
36:34
Next is a question from Christopher.
36:37
Crisp said my dream is to build my
own startup, creating a service or
36:40
product that everyone in
the right market needs.
36:45
Thank you.
36:49
Amazing Patrick just brought me water.
36:50
[LAUGH] Thank you.
36:52
I totally need it.
36:53
My throat is getting really dry.
36:54
Thank you.
36:55
That's like heaven.
36:58
Thank you, okay?
37:00
All right, so Chris said my dream is to
build my own startup creating a service or
37:02
product that everyone in
the right market needs.
37:06
What are your challenges as CEO and
founder.
37:09
This is a great question.
37:12
So I was actually discussing this
with another friend of mine.
37:13
He's launching a site that teaches
how to do photography and video.
37:18
And I said that the hardest thing
about launching a company is,
37:25
being scared to start because
you want to be perfect.
37:30
And so what I would encourage you to
do is do basic market research testing.
37:33
So what you can do is ask some friends
around you, this is the business.
37:40
I'm thinking about launching this service.
37:45
I'm going to launch what do you think?
37:46
Get some basic feedback, and
then try to launch the most simple,
37:49
It's gonna be almost embarrassingly
simple version of your idea.
37:53
So when I look back at think vitamine
membership when we launched it,
37:58
it's almost embarrassing
how simple it was.
38:02
Nick and Jim sat in front of
a white sheet, and taught.
38:04
It was hard to do it, but
looking at what Treehouse is now,
38:10
it's really, really simple.
38:13
So just get your first idea out into
the wild as quick as you can and
38:15
see if anybody will pay you for it.
38:21
You can just paralyze yourself by
waiting till you think it's perfect.
38:24
And then you launch it turns out,
nobody wants it or your price is wrong.
38:29
So I would encourage
you get it into market,
38:34
try to get someone to pay you and
then adapt.
38:38
So I think that would be my first advice.
38:41
[COUGH] Question from Joel.
38:43
Do you know of or have any programs
to help new Bootcamp Grads,
38:47
Treehouse Grads land that first job.
38:52
So, Joel, the multiple sessions
that we've done at this
38:55
festival are a great place to start.
39:00
Excuse me, hopefully you're a Treehouse
student cuz then you will have access to
39:03
all the videos.
39:07
If you aren't, you can always sign up for
39:08
our seven day free trial
to get those videos.
39:10
I would say start there.
39:13
Watch Grant session,
watch the Q&A that grant and I did.
39:15
And then watch the bonus session we did
yesterday with Ansanelli Jeremy and
39:19
grant myself.
39:23
That will give you a really
good playbook on on how to get
39:24
that first job after you finish
a bootcamp or a tech degree.
39:29
All right, what I talked about with
building your own experience at
39:34
the beginning of these
session applies as well.
39:39
If you follow that playbook
that will get you really far.
39:42
All right, okay, question from Oliver,
is a cross platform
39:47
course such as React Native flutter,
coming to Treehouse?
39:52
Maybe, stay tuned,
we understand there's a massive desire for
39:57
cross platform mobile development.
40:01
And so stay tuned.
40:04
Naomi said, how long does it
take to finish a tech degree?
40:07
If you're studying about two hours a day,
it'll take around 40 weeks,
40:10
40 to 45 weeks depending on which tech
degree, but that's roughly what it takes.
40:15
You could, of course, go faster.
40:20
We've seen people finish them in three
months if they're learning full time.
40:22
Okay, question from.
40:28
A long time ago, there was a store.
40:30
Are there any plans and bring them
back the Treehouse merchandise store?
40:32
Would love to represent Treehouse with
a hoodie or stickers for example.
40:36
Everyone, thank you.
40:39
Thank you for wanting to do that.
40:40
I love that.
40:42
We're trying to focus and simplify our
lives right now during the pandemic.
40:43
And I don't think a store is in
our future in the near future.
40:48
There's just so many things to do, but
we do have some extra merch lying arounds.
40:53
So if you're really passionate about it,
hit,
40:59
you just email me ryan@teamtreehouse.com
and I'll try to make that happen.
41:02
So thanks for asking.
41:08
All right, to question,
how does the logo connect to Treehouse?
41:10
What is up with the frog hands?
41:16
[LAUGH] Well,
41:17
I believe Tyson Ross is one of our early
designers designed our Treehouse logo.
41:18
I think,
someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
41:24
And we just thought, a tree,
I think it's a tree frog.
41:27
We thought that would just be kind of
a fun way to represent the forest,
41:32
tree houses, and it's kind of cute.
41:38
So that's where the frog came from.
41:41
We used to have a mascot named Mike
the Frog, if any of you remember that.
41:43
You should pop in the chat if
anyone remembers Mike the Frog.
41:48
And [LAUGH] he was cute,
41:52
he was actually voiced by the wife
of one of our amazing employees.
41:54
But in the end, we thought maybe it was
a bit too Sesame Street, I don't know.
41:58
So Mike the Frog is no more.
42:02
All right,
this is such good questions y'all.
42:05
Thank you.
42:08
We're running out of time,
I think, but I'll just keep going.
42:09
How tough is the junior market right now?
42:12
Is it a bad time to enter
the market entry level?
42:15
Leighton asked that question, so.
42:18
It's impossible to time the market, right?
42:22
So I would worry less about whether
right now is a good time, and
42:25
I would focus on your process, right?
42:29
So this has come up a couple times.
42:32
So let me just outline what
I think the process is for
42:35
getting a job as an entry level developer.
42:38
I'll try to march through this
really quick just as a refresher.
42:41
So you need to do the what I talked about
first about building your experience,
42:44
right?
42:50
So as you're learning, start building
sites for things you're passionate about.
42:50
Get your first $50 site or
$50 app for a friend,
42:55
then get $100 app and do 200, 300, 400.
42:59
Try to get to the point where you're
having somebody pay you $500 plus for
43:03
a project.
43:08
Then you have a list of projects that
are paid, you're finishing up your
43:09
curriculum as you go, and then you start
to feel ready to apply for jobs, right?
43:14
And a lot of people have asked when
are you ready to apply for jobs?
43:20
The answer is you will never feel ready.
43:23
You will always feel like
you're not good enough.
43:25
But I would say you're ready to start
applying once you finish your tech degree
43:28
if you're a tech degree student or
once you finish your track in Treehouse,
43:32
you're definitely ready for
a junior level role at that point.
43:37
So then what you do is you identify up
to 100 companies you wanna work for.
43:41
So find companies with missions
that you're aligned with.
43:46
Find companies in your local area or
are open to remote hiring,
43:49
which is a lot of companies now and
put those 100 companies on a list.
43:54
And then what you start doing
is a lot of detective work.
43:59
You start looking for who are five people
at each one of these companies that
44:03
you wanna become friends with.
44:08
If you are trying to be
a software engineer, look for
44:10
a engineering manager or
a junior engineer that recently got hired.
44:14
You wanna find those two types of people.
44:19
If you're UX design,
find a design manager,
44:21
a UX manager or a UX designer, right?
44:25
Ideally entry level, so
44:28
you're gonna identify five people
at each of those hundred companies.
44:29
That's 500 people, okay?
44:33
So then you've got a list of 500 people
and you start doing detective work.
44:36
Get their LinkedIn profile URL,
try to find them on Twitter,
44:40
Instagram, Twitch, Tik Tok,
any social network, try to find them.
44:45
Try to find their email, which is hard.
44:52
And then what you do is you run a process.
44:55
Each one of those 500 people,
44:58
you should be prepared to
contact them 13 times, why 13?
45:01
Most people give up after about three
tries, and they don't get a reply and
45:06
they give up.
45:11
It actually takes up to 13 attempts
to get someone to reply to you.
45:12
How do you get someone to reply
to you without being annoying?
45:17
You basically find a genuine
compliment for that person.
45:22
And when you connect on LinkedIn,
don't say, I wanna work at your company.
45:27
You say something like, hey,
Ryan, I noticed that you made
45:31
a strong statement about
Black Lives Matter as a company.
45:36
That's amazing, thank you for
leading like that.
45:40
Something, a genuine compliment, right?
45:43
I'm much more likely to see that LinkedIn
connection and click accept, right?
45:45
So come up with a genuine compliment.
45:50
If they're not on LinkedIn,
do that on Twitter, not on Twitter,
45:53
do it on Instagram, right?
45:55
So find a way to get on their radar.
45:56
They may or may not reply.
45:58
They may or may not answer.
46:00
Then step two,
what you do is contact them on
46:01
a different channel with another
genuine compliment, right?
46:04
And you're just being non stop
about getting on their radar.
46:08
And then what you have to do is accept,
probably,
46:15
one out of three of them
will end up replying, right?
46:18
So that 500 people, you end up
getting 33% of them to reply, right?
46:21
And then they've replied, and
46:26
then you keep building that relationship
using mirroring like I talked about.
46:28
So you could say something like you seem
really passionate about this topic so
46:31
can you tell me more about that, right?
46:36
You're just trying to get them to engage
by giving them genuine compliments and
46:39
then you will get maybe
10% of them to reply.
46:43
So it's a funnel and
46:46
you end up with an actual friend
at a company you wanna work for.
46:48
And then you say to them, you know what,
I'm probably gonna apply for
46:53
a job at some point at your company.
46:56
I just wanna give you a heads up.
46:58
And then most likely, they'll say,
I like you, this is awesome.
47:00
Let me know when you apply and
I'll tell the hiring manager.
47:04
And that's how you use the system to
get the job, not by applying cold.
47:07
So it's a process.
47:12
It's super hard work.
47:14
It'll take you six months
to a year to find that job.
47:16
You'll have 100 companies on your list and
47:20
you'll end up working at one of them,
right?
47:23
So prepare yourself that 99% of
the companies you wanna work for
47:25
say no, and that one of them will.
47:30
So that's it.
47:33
Samantha was kind of talking about
that as long as you don't quit and
47:35
you run that process, you will get a job.
47:39
You just have to not give up and
give yourself enough time to do it.
47:41
Okay, we've got time for a few more.
47:45
Sip this amazing water.
47:50
Okay, all right.
47:52
Tim said do you think Treehouse will
start a CS fundamentals course,
47:58
computer science fundamentals course,
or an interview prep course that focuses
48:01
on things like algorithms,
Big O, and interview questions?
48:06
Maybe, stay tuned.
48:09
We know that this is a very important
thing to specifically cover.
48:12
We do have a couple computer science
fundamentals courses, by the way, but
48:16
we are definitely thinking about
digging in and doing even more.
48:19
So stay tuned.
48:22
No promises yet but
it's something that I believe strongly in.
48:23
Computer science
fundamentals is important.
48:27
You don't need a computer science degree.
48:29
But understanding the basics of
computer science is very important, and
48:32
I would recommend that
you start digging in.
48:36
There is a CS50 course that's free, right?
48:39
So Harvard offers CS50.
48:42
You can take it on edX, I definitely
recommend you enroll in that as well.
48:44
Question from Adasuwa, besides cost,
48:49
what benefits does Treehouse
have over coding boot camps?
48:53
The amazing thing about the tech
degree is that it is self paced, and
48:59
you can pause at anytime and it is
a fraction of the cost of a boot camp.
49:03
The tech degree costs $199 a month, and
most people finish in 6 to 12 months.
49:08
So you're talking about $2,400
over 12 months compared
49:14
to $14-15, 20,000 for a lot of boot camps.
49:19
And I believe our curriculum
is actually more effective.
49:24
We've taught 650,000 people.
49:29
We've been doing this for a decade.
49:31
This is the one thing I brag about,
we're really good at teaching, right?
49:33
So I think you're getting a boot camp
education for a fraction of the cost from
49:36
home that's self paced that you can
pause anytime or you can cancel, right?
49:41
So we're not gonna lock you in
to some sort of long contract.
49:46
Thanks for asking that.
49:50
All right, a question from Ryan.
49:52
Hey, Ryan.
49:56
What is the growth plan for Treehouse's
curriculum over the next five years as we
49:58
move into a more data driven intensive
environment online data science analytics?
50:02
I- I have exciting news.
50:07
We are building a data
analytics tech degree.
50:09
So we absolutely believe that
data analysis, machine learning,
50:14
data science, etc., is very important.
50:18
And we are excited that we're working
on that, we're gonna be releasing that.
50:21
Our curriculum plan is to teach
where the jobs are, right?
50:26
So we're gonna continue
to go where that is.
50:29
All right, I can see that
Tony's out trying, thank you.
50:34
How did you do marketing for Treehouse?
50:39
A question from Thomas.
50:41
So as I explained, we launched
initially doing in-person classes.
50:43
We use think vitamin.com as
a content marketing platform.
50:48
And then we launched Treehouse,
which was called think about
50:52
a membership on top of that,
to tell everybody about it.
50:56
Bo in the marketing team
at Treehouse really
51:00
strongly believes in
providing value to people.
51:03
And that's how marketing is best done.
51:07
So we do a lot of content marketing
trying to offer as much value as we can.
51:10
All right, Cecil asked, will Treehouse
ever expand on its design coursework,
51:17
such as a UX track?
51:22
Well, we have a UX tech degree.
51:23
So please check that UX tech degree out.
51:25
We also have a UX track so
51:29
make sure to check that out
if you're a courses student.
51:30
Thanks for asking that.
51:34
Another question,
how did you make Treehouse so
51:38
successful since it's hard to get
websites started and get popular?
51:41
Well, we've been doing this for 10 years,
[LAUGH] so it hasn't been quick,
51:44
it hasn't been easy.
51:48
I think the way we become successful is by
offering something that's valuable, truly
51:49
working our guts out to serve you all
students and then just not quitting, so.
51:54
A question from Jim, does Treehouse have a
tech degree scholarship fund set up where
52:01
alumni can donate?
52:05
Wow, that's an amazing idea, Jim.
52:05
We don't, and I love that idea.
52:08
Gosh, so please email me,
ryan@teamtreehouse.com and
52:10
we can talk about that.
52:14
Thank you so much for having that idea.
52:16
So we have I think about
seven minutes left.
52:19
And so I will take some more questions and
then we'll wind this down.
52:23
Okay, question from Pac.
52:29
Hey Ryan,
does Treehouse offer career support for
52:31
companies outside of USA particularly
in Hong Kong or Singapore?
52:34
We don't,
I wish that we could do everything and
52:38
support everybody in that way.
52:41
Unfortunately, just don't have
enough people to do that well.
52:42
However, if you take the tech degree or
courses and
52:46
you follow that framework
that I just laid out,
52:49
you will have a lot of the tools
that you need to get that first job.
52:52
So please just follow that playbook and
don't quit,
52:56
and that will set you apart
from the majority of folks.
53:01
Question from Devin, does
Team Treehouse have any good courses or
53:05
programs for more advanced developers?
53:10
We don't, we focus on beginners.
53:13
We really care about empowering
people to learn how to code and
53:16
then get into the industry.
53:19
Our belief is that most mid to senior
level engineers are just gonna be
53:21
googling.
53:25
[LAUGH] So,
the most effective way once you
53:26
are an engineer is to Google,
go to Stack Overflow.
53:30
And that's the way you'll learn.
53:35
That's our strategy.
53:38
Question, what is Treehouse doing to
implement diverse hiring practices?
53:42
A lot and I wanna give props to my
team for working so hard on this.
53:45
We have a strategy that is
a two-pronged approach.
53:50
So number one, we embrace
apprenticeship whenever we can, right?
53:54
We wanna create new talent and
onboard that talent onto the team.
53:57
And we source talent from communities that
have been traditionally boxed out of tech.
54:02
That's one thing we do.
54:06
[COUGH] The second thing we do is focus
a lot on building an inclusive culture.
54:07
So as soon as people come into
the company, we wanna make sure they stay,
54:14
that they feel included, that they belong.
54:18
And we work very hard
at training our team,
54:20
measuring our inclusivity and
ensuring that we do everything we
54:24
can to retain amazing talent
once that talent stays.
54:28
A third thing that we're always
doing is if we are advertising for
54:32
a role that is mid to senior,
then what we do is we proactively
54:37
recruit from communities where
we have under representation.
54:42
So if we know of this team, we don't
have enough people from this community.
54:47
We specifically go to that community and
try to get as many applications as
54:51
we can from that community to give us
a better chance of hiring from that group.
54:56
We do not make decisions based on
people's protected classes clearly,
55:01
cuz that is illegal and wrong.
55:06
But we're doing everything we can
to proactively diversify our team.
55:09
We're not perfect, but
we're making great progress.
55:14
So more questions, okay.
55:18
[LAUGH] Oliver says Black Sabbath or
Led Zeppelin?
55:22
Just gonna have to say Black Sabbath.
55:27
So there you go, hence the shirt, which
is really thanks to Kenny's friend Dave.
55:28
So thanks Dave if you're watching.
55:34
[LAUGH] Al right, question from Laney.
55:36
Do you have students who start just taking
courses, the $25 a month plan to get
55:39
a feel, find out if it's enjoyable and
then move on to the tech degree.
55:44
Would that student move through the tech
degree faster due to in place knowledge
55:48
obtained through Treehouse already?
55:52
Absolutely, this is a wonderful way
to put your feet in the water and
55:54
see if this is what you wanna do.
55:58
Start out on our $25 a month product,
take some of the courses, get a feel for
56:00
it and then upgrade to tech degree.
56:05
You will already have completed
those courses in tech degree so
56:07
you can move a little bit faster.
56:10
And then you have all
the all the slack support,
56:12
you have projects that are graded,
you have additional courses.
56:15
So that's a really great way to see
if the tech degree is right for you.
56:19
We do everything we can not to lock you
into something that you don't want.
56:24
Question from Kenny.
56:30
Do you still have time to play video
games just like in your childhood?
56:30
No, not at all.
56:34
[LAUGH] Between being a dad and
being a husband and
56:35
being a CEO, I have very little free time.
56:39
But I miss games a lot.
56:43
My kids play a lot of games so
56:45
any Sea of Thieves fans out there,
my kids will love you.
56:48
Cavlin said I learned about Treehouse
to Code Louisville boot camp.
56:53
You still partner with boot
camps around the country?
56:57
Code Louisville has been amazing.
57:00
I wanna give major props to Emily who
really makes that program happen at
57:02
Treehouse and for all of you students
that have come through Code Louisville.
57:06
I can't make any promises if we're
gonna have more programs like that.
57:10
I would love us to.
57:13
But at the moment, Code Lou is
one of our amazing partners and
57:16
we hope that relationship continues.
57:21
Got probably time for one more.
57:24
Question from Hannah, will Treehouse
be doing more tech festivals?
57:30
I hope so.
57:35
This has been so much fun.
57:36
I just can't believe how
energy giving it is for
57:38
us at Treehouse to see you all,
to interact with you,
57:42
to hear your stories and also give
you encouragement and empower you.
57:46
This has been a blast for me and the team.
57:52
And I really hope that
we can do more of these.
57:55
We don't know yet
cuz this is our first one.
58:00
But we're blown away that over
7000 of you signed up and and
58:02
have been attending the session.
58:06
So I really hope so.
58:08
With that, I think we actually got through
all your questions so that was amazing.
58:12
And thanks to you, Patrick, for
the water, appreciate that.
58:16
So I think with that,
I'm gonna end this session and
58:19
just I wanna thank you from the bottom
of my heart for being with us this week.
58:23
And for all of you that are enrolled
in Treehouse, I love you.
58:29
I'm thankful for you, all of you that
are thinking about enrolling to Treehouse,
58:33
we hope to meet you and
be a part of your success.
58:38
And one last thank you to my amazing
team for making this possible.
58:41
This has been an absolute joy and
58:45
I hope that we can continue
to be a part of your journey.
58:47
So thank you for coming,
and we'll talk to you soon.
58:51
Take care.
58:54
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