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22,248 PointsWhy do these videos make me hate Rails and hate testing. Totally incomprehensible. It might as well be in Japanese.
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9 Answers
mikescs
5,018 PointsBecause they are boring. They are trying to explain an importance of TDD but they are instead bore you to death.
Srsly not all methodologies are good.
James demby
10,296 PointsThis question made my day. This stuff if tough and a freaking slog. It says am 4 hours from being done, but whenever you are trying to change your application with the videos every hour they predict means 2 or 3 for me. I am on a mission to finish the rails track in 2014, so I have to push through.
The question I am asking myself is how much did I learn, and that is really hard to say. I know a lot more than when I started, but I still cannot do anything from memory. That might be okay though. I have an application idea that I am going to start when I finish this course, and I am thinking I will get stuck every 5 minutes and have to dig through this course to figure it out. But, after that I might be worth something. There might just not be a great way to internalize this stuff, so I am going to slog it out until I get something built.
Happy New Year!
Robyn Cantrell
7,603 PointsHappy New Year James. I did the same thing. At one point I was just pushing through to get the points and the badges. I am now working my way through for the third time. I found time 1 while trying to learn a new language through the lens of test driven development really not effective. I did pick up a couple of things though. Then I did some other stuff, including going through the Rails Guide (Available through the Rails Org.) I really learned a lot more there, btw, it is also available for kindle readers or kindle pc app. One of the key differences is that the rails guide builds an application without first using the scaffolding and walks you through every detail. The second time through I was battling the fact that the latest Ruby release had a SSL certificate different than the one downloaded with my installation. This took 5 weeks to solve. I am however finding that this time through, I did learn more than I thought and I am much more comfortable with the whole TDD process.
Hang in!! Keep the Faith!! Happy Learning!!
Robyn Cantrell
7,603 PointsI found that Jason's tendency to cut, copy, paste or edit code without saying he was doing so to be infuriating. I learned far more from the rails guide. Then I let the videos run to get the points and badges:)
DJ L
9,674 PointsFor me the best intro to Ruby is Pragmatic Studio course "Ruby Programming"
Simon Walsh
Courses Plus Student 1,741 PointsI have to agree that this particular video jumps a great deal..........there is an awful lot of assumed knowledge here and I think it would have been worthwhile splitting this vid up into 2 parts and for Jason to spend a little more time explaining the process. I am watching this one 3 times.......
Robyn Cantrell
7,603 PointsI agree Simon. I like treehouse as well. The overall concept is great! My first course was with Andrew Chaulkey. Awesome experience as he ran code then changed it in another segment all the while explaining why. Zac and Nick are also great, though Nick sometimes gets a little fast with the coding.
Overall this has been a great experience for me and I eagerly take more classes.
Simon Walsh
Courses Plus Student 1,741 PointsIs also would pay for that. Definitely. The biggest advances you make in your knowledge (when you are an intermediate programmer) aren't from the 95% of easy stuff - it's having that one situation where you are stuck explained to you -
I would definitely pay a significant premium for that service
Robyn Cantrell
7,603 PointsI am on my third go round with the whole application. Ruby.org changed their security certificate and absolutely nothing would load for me in rails. Took 3 weeks to find the solution to that.
Simon, you are right, Jason should slow down and explain things a bit better.. I have also found that he does some quick code changes that are not explained and then I get to spend an hour or two troubleshooting my application because I did not see his change.
Jason is very knowledgeable but his eye sees things that he fixes or alters without saying what or why. I hope the Treehouse staff is following this thread!
Simon Walsh
Courses Plus Student 1,741 PointsAgree totally. I think Jason is really good - no doubt. But I can see that as an expert, it might the easy to take things for granted at times. This particular video, and indeed the whole section on sessions deserved a little more careful thought. On Lynda, Kevin Skoglund goes super slow and builds. Now I'm not saying he's better - I think Jason is awesome, but at times needs to slow down just a bit and perhaps labour over explanations - just stop coding and discuss what's happening. Do like treehouse very much though.
Adam Zuckerberg
22,248 PointsJust to clarify, I think Treehouse is spectacular and Jason is too! Specifically, I think the TDD course needs to be updated and online learning is amazing; however, in the 5% of times that there is a problem (which often occurs when technology advances and the site content has not yet been revised to be consistent) there is a massive fail and as a student of online learning this is incredibly frustrating. With a live teacher, these are snafus that are fixed with a quick conversation - when coding alone from home, these snafus can snowball and take you weeks to solve. I know there are some sites where you can talk to a live coding expert, but I fear the cost and ROI if the person is not good.
Maybe there could be a premium level where you can pay $20 for 30 minutes with an expert at that specific topic who can screen share and solve your problems.
I'd pay for that.
Also, I think for Lynda, Treehouse or any online learning platform to thrive, they are going to need to find a way to update content with speed and precision to keep up with the endless technology changes. I have no idea how to scale a site where you need to update content, but welcome to technology - whoever figures that out is going to rock it. Outdated content does not fly with students and there is clearly a systemic challenge to update video content when web apps require splicing together 10 resources which are all moving parts. Maybe some entrepreneur out there can envision more flexible video formats or cartoons or something to make video tutorials update in real-time. ;)_
mikescs
5,018 PointsI paused my membership mainly because of that. Too much beginner level of content and really no advanced topics and techniques...